Here comes trouble. Who in the business of change hasn’t been introduced with that particular turn of phrase? I own that title gladly and I suspect so do Hari Balasubramanian of EcoAdvisors and Allison Gibson of Paintbox Catering, two business leaders who really are leaders in their respective fields – driving change around sustainability, impact investing, community-building and rolling up their sleeves to solve complex challenges.

They are our guests on episode 6 of Happy to Be Here, the Deep Change Network podcast trying to figure out how to chart a kinder, purpose-led path to wealth, health and happiness and to answer the question: who wants to build back better and where do we start?